孩子学英语要不要从歌谣开始

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原帖由 dczqzme 于 2009-1-6 01:40 发表
我个人觉得歌谣不错,至少我的孩子乐于接受。
我试着教她ABCD字母及发音,不到两分钟她就没了兴趣。
只有孩子能够接受的方法才是最好的方法。

对呀,歌谣里面又有发音,又有字母
你顺便不就教给他发音和字母了吗。
单独教的话,不要说她,给你你也会烦的。

我学了(姑且称之为是学吧)四种语言,也没有从字母学起(跟英文一个语系的语言),也没有耐烦去记字母表。是在工作中边干边学的。十几年前的事了,好像是用了半个月吧,从来没有碰过法语(接待法国客户捡到的一句半句的不算)翻着法语的语法书和法汉字典,把一个翻译干的不合格的设备的中翻法改成了合格的文件。很是担心。因为我不可能找到一个人来为我鉴定是否可用了。那个翻译总算是没有出事。不过你现在让我念法语字母表我还是念不下来。总弄不清那几个小犄角是往左还是往右。好笑的是,我居然还带出了几个这些小语种的翻译。





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确实说得很对,能否再进一步阐明一下。谢谢


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楼主关于“在输入阶段引导他习惯于分辨细节”等论点受启发。

感觉没必要要争执对错,有用的吸收,有不同观点讨论。

因为出发点都是为了孩子。


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原帖由 traceyusa 于 2009-1-12 09:48 发表
楼主关于“在输入阶段引导他习惯于分辨细节”等论点受启发。

感觉没必要要争执对错,有用的吸收,有不同观点讨论。

因为出发点都是为了孩子。

这才是句实在话。
我不过提一个醒。

你夏天穿棉袄,我劝你少穿。
因为你不懂,所以我告诉你。

你爱听,就享福了。
你不爱听,就捂痱子去。
谁也没有逼着你干什么。

干什么跟碰到了某个痛感神经似的。
是不是背后有些什么呢?

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原帖由 dragon_youth 于 2009-1-9 08:56 发表
千万不要wanna,这是黑人的语言,用中国的情景来理解,就是民工的语言(不是职业歧视)。是拼写迁就于发音不准的读音的表现。早年间黑人不识字,又模仿不清白人的发音,于是杜撰出了这么个拼写,于是在黑人这个阶层流传开来。随着他们的子女逐渐融入美国的主流社会,把这样的拼写传播开来。这个不能不力于rock and rolll 音乐的流行和黑人歌手的传播。(也可以算是读写障碍症的自我解决办法吧)。当初不知道什么什么什么玩意儿教的你这些玩意儿。看到了这么多以wanna为地道的中国人,这也是我跳下来教英语的原因之一。 ...

这位梁老师不会连wanna是美国人最常用,最地道口语都不知道吧。
即便没出过国,有时间统计一下“老友记”,还有“欲望都市”,里面到处都是wanna,那演的可都是白人的生活,说的是最地道的美国英语。

我统计了一下《老友记》第一季中wanna出现的频率,一共出现81次之多。

附统计结果:

Chandler, can I just say something? I-I know you're still mad atme, I just wanna say that there were two people there that night.
Joey, if I go first, I wanna be looking for my keys.
Phoebe, could you do me a favour? Could you try this on? I just wanna make sure it fits.
Hey Pheebs, you wanna help?
Uh, so, uh, Rach, uh... do you wanna save this wrapping paper,I mean, it's only a little bit torn... so are you gonna go for it with Ross or should I just throw it out?
Look , I'm sorry, guys, I just don't wanna give them any more ammunition than they already have.
No, yeah, no, ok, but not yet. I don't wanna seem too eager.
Keep the change. Sure you don't wanna pretzel?
Okay, look, the restaurant called, they wanna know if you're gonna be showing up for work?
Uh, ah. Unless you wanna stay over? I mean, I'm going to, so...
Tell her, David. 'I don't wanna go to Minsk and work with Lifson and Yamaguchi and Flench, on nonononononono.
Yeah, so, uh, so, uh, what's the deal with this father guy, I mean, if someone was havin' my baby somewhere, I'd wanna know about it, you know?
Well, you may wanna rethink the dirty underwear.
Might wanna try Joseph.
Maybe they wanna sign me!
She buys tickets for plays that I wanna see.
And today I just stopped and I said, 'What if I don't wanna be a shoe? What if I wanna be a- a purse, y'know? Or a- or a hat!
and you have to go because you don't wanna start the new year with me if you can't finish it.
So you don't wanna go to Williamsburg?
You might wanna put the kids to bed for this one.
Ok, um, basically you wanna use one machine for all your whites, a whole nother machine for colors, and a third for your uh, your uh, delicates, and that would be your bras and your under-panty things.
You wanna watch Laverne y Shirley?
Wait, did you get to the part about his 'huge throbbing pens'? Tell ya, you don't wanna be around when he starts writing with those.
You guys wanna get some coffee?
Does, um, anyone wanna see?
You guys wanna try and catch a late movie or something?
Are you sure? Great. Carol? Wanna come over and join us?
You know, now you're more like, you know like, Mr. Caring Boss,Mr., you know, I'm one of you, Boss,Mr., I wanna be your buddy, Boss Man Bing.
Listen, uh, you wanna go get a drink or something?
You wanna go to Newark?
You want me to actually throw you or you-you wanna just hop?
Do you want to go to the bathroom, or do you wanna play poker?
So you wanna tell us now, or are we waiting for four wet bridesmaids?
Well, you may wanna steer clear of the word 'dumped'.
Might wanna open with the snowman.
Oh, I wanna see! Lemme see! Lemme see!
If you wanna put a label on it.
If I wanna walk around my apartment in my underwear, I shouldn't have to feel like-
What?3!2! What, you wanna spell it out with noodles?
Somebody wanna help me, tryin' to rip out my heart.
I wouldn't wanna be there when when the laughter stops.
'That' would be Marcel. You wanna say hi?
Look, they just wanna see if you're okay.
They wanna know if I'm okay. Okay2! they wanna know if I'm okay,
He's in the bathroom. I don't think you wanna go in there!
And listen, man, if you wanna be gay, be gay.
Why? Why would you wanna... do that?Why?
I don't want to be single, okay? I just3! I just- I just wanna be married again!
Eww, I don't wanna do that.
I didn't wanna leave him alone. Alright?
Look, I don't wanna make any trouble, okay, but I'm in a lot of pain here, alright? My face is dented.
I don't even wanna hear it, you're just...
I don't wanna hear it. Now go to my room.
I don't know, you don't wanna mess with corn nuts.
I-I'd better get going, I don't wanna miss the last train.
Oh, but, could we not go together? I,I don't wanna be the geekthat invited the boss.
Hey, listen, I wanna borrow a coupla things, Aurora spent the night, I really wanna make her breakfast.
I wanna look nice.
I wanna be buried at sea, it looks like fun.
I wanna stay here and make out with my girlfriend!!'
I don't even wanna know about the dark cheese.
Look, I know he's not perfect, but the truth is, at the end of the day, I still really wanna be Mrs. Dr.Barry Farber, D.D.S.
Uh, listen, I just wanna thank you for this great opportunity.
Just wanna check my horoscope, see if it was right.
"I just wanna go back to my cell. 'Cause in my cell, I can smoke."
I just- I just wanna be with him all the time.
I just wanna clarify this:are you outing Mr. Peanut?
When my time comes, I wanna be buried at sea.
It's fine, it's fine. Look, do you wanna get this part, or not? Here.
So, you gals wanna hand over your money now? That way, we don'thave to go through the formality of actually playing.
Oh, you uh, you wanna hear a freaky coincidence? Guess who's doing laundry there too?
Thanks, hi. Um, I wanna start with a song that means a lot to me this time of year.
Because he said he didn't wanna be around... anything that looked like either one of us.
Oh, and there would just be all this pressure, and I don't wanna...
Does anybody wanna split this with me?
Anybody wanna trade? Oh...
You wanna explain that?
Okay, before you do anything Joey-like, you might wanna run it by err...
This guy says hello, I wanna kill myself.
Okay, it's his first time out, so he's probably gonna wannado some of the touristy things.
Anyway, I'm gonna be gone for like, uh... like a week, so, uh, if you wanna reach me, y-you can't.

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不好意思:
先行告知一下:我第一次出国是在1988年。

当然知道了。
太地道了就低了。
就像北京话不是普通话一样。

解放前,北京就是个大村子,上海却是十里洋场。
如果三十年代解放,普通话就会以上海普通话为基准了。
再早,中国中原一带闹灾荒战乱的时候,灾民都往天子脚下逃命,以为会有饭吃,但是到了南城门,被拦在城门外,有些就绕过北京城,到被废弃的圆明园开垦为生。1938年蒋介石把黄河扒了个大口子。几十万(不记得确切数字了)河南灾民逃往北京,又在南城定下了。于是在天安门南面大约二三公里的地方形成了一个贫民窟。很多人卖艺为生,于是有了这样一个歇后语:天桥的把式,光说不练。新凤霞就是那里出身,她的自传写过了那里的人的生活。
有了这样的历史,天桥一带的人的语言就被定位为 贫民的语言。
你们见到的大舌头式的北京话基本上都是来源于此。
而清晰的普通话,一般流行于白领,中央一级单位。因为那里人员来自全国各地。必须,而且习惯于说标准的普通话。

定都北京后,国家把很多工厂,店铺移到北京,比如上海的四联,解放后
但是很多非常地道的方言,包括北京话的一些说法也渐渐融入了普通话。
也有的成了白领的语言。
比如:
震了,盖了帽了(70年代,北京)相中(0年代,东北--以下同),中(河南),雄起(四川),
不过好像都不长命。

wanna的起源我已经说了。
也许有一天会被收入字典,成为经典的语言。
类似的词汇故事还有很多。
想来台风这个词汇的出口转内销的来源你可能知道吧
但是常人不注意的还有很多。

比如:chopsuey.杂碎汤
chop 剁, suey==碎 的音
18世纪中国人到了外国,吃这个东西,外国人看了奇怪,问是什么
中国人当然不知道内脏的英文,或者不敢说(人家不吃内脏,应该你是知道的)。
于是比划着:chop, 碎。
于是人家就把这个东西冠以 chopsuey 了。
以后逐步演化为其他的原料,在中餐馆售卖。

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wanna in Wiktionary, the free dictionary.
English

Etymology 1
Written form of a reduction of "want a"
Verb
wanna
Eye dialect spelling of want a.
I wanna puppy!

Etymology 2
Written form of a reduction of "want to"
Verb
wanna
Eye dialect spelling of want to.
I wanna go home!

eye dialect (countable and uncountable; plural eye dialects)
(uncountable) The deliberate use of nonstandard spellings to indicate pronunciations seen as nonstandard, dialectal, or reflective of a lack of education.
(countable) A set of such nonstandard spellings, collectively used to reflect a certain form of speech.
Usage notes
The term eye dialect may have a negative connotation; pronunciation spelling or respelling may be considered more neutral.

柯林斯高級英語學習詞典第5版
wanna
Wanna is used in written English to represent the words `want to' when they are pronounced informally.

牛津高階英語詞典
wanna  
(informal, non-standard) the written form of the word some people use to mean 'want to' or 'want a', which is not considered to be correct: I wanna go. ◆ Wanna drink? (= Do you want ...)
Help Note: You should not write this form, unless you are copying somebody's speech.

劍橋高級學習詞典     
wanna  
short form NOT STANDARD
'want to' or 'want a':
[+ infinitive without to] D'you wanna go now?
I wanna hamburger, Mom.

朗文當代英語詞典     
wanna  
a short form of 'want to' or 'want a', used in writing to show how people sound when they speak

美國傳統詞典     
wanna  
NONEInformal
1. Contraction of want to:  
You wanna go now?
2. Contraction of want a:  
You wanna slice of pie?

麥克米蘭英語詞典 - American     
wanna  
short form INFORMAL
a way of writing want to that shows how it sounds in informal conversation

牛津高階英漢雙解詞典
wanna  
contracted form 縮約式 (infml 口 esp US)
want to 想要(做): I wanna hold your hand. 我想握住你的手.
want a 想要(個): You wanna cigarette?你想要支香煙嗎?

American Heritage Dictionary Online     
wanna
Informal
1. Contraction of want to: You wanna go now?
2. Contraction of want a: You wanna slice of pie?

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原帖由 dragon_youth 于 2009-1-12 02:28 发表


是。不过麻烦的是,自己孩子身上取得的经验,实际上自己是用不上的。
因为等到你有经验了,孩子又长大了。

这个观点我不赞成, 谁说孩子身上取得的经验用不上, 今天知道昨天错在哪, 第二天就会进步, 而别人的经验倒是借来了, 问题是:一定适合你的孩子吗?借别人的经验就一定是好的吗? 等到你发现错的时候已经到了第五天,第六天, 浪费时间和精力, 还不如自己摸索自己的.

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这位楼主 真tm矫情!老易驳得好。

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我觉得不冲突啊
一边听歌一边看歌词不就行了

我家小猪就喜欢看着歌词听歌
他的汉字基本是看古诗的VCD学的
英文单词大部分是看巴迪童谣学的

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老易驳得好

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小儿孩童时, 我是唱儿歌给他听的

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多听说当然好了,这里很多音频资料

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支持4楼观点!

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能不能下载啊谢谢哦

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